Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/15/2005 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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The "Containment Model"
A Research Based Presentation
On Sex Offender Management
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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                          March 15, 2005                                                                                      
                             9:03 a.m.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  convened the meeting  at approximately 9:03:04  AM.                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde, Vice Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also   Attending:   MARC   ANTRIM,   Commissioner,   Department   of                                                          
Corrections;  KIM   ENGLISH,  Consultant,  Colorado   Department  of                                                            
Corrections;  JEFF JINKS, Consultant  and Owner/Operator  of Amigen-                                                            
Jinks Incorporated;  PEGGY HEIL, Consultant, Colorado  Department of                                                            
Corrections                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Attending   via  Teleconference:   There   were  no  teleconference                                                           
participants.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The  "Containment  Model":  A  research-based  presentation  on  sex                                                            
offender management  presentation by the Department  of Corrections.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The  Committee   heard  a  presentation   from  the  Department   of                                                            
Corrections and consultants  regarding a new sex offender management                                                            
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Department of Corrections: The "Containment Model" A research-                                                             
     based presentation on sex offender management.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted that the Department  of Corrections  would be                                                            
presenting  a  research-based   model  pertaining  to  sex  offender                                                            
management.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARC ANTRIM,  Commissioner, Department  of Corrections, thanked  the                                                            
Committee  for the opportunity  to introduce  the Containment  Model                                                            
Approach  to sex offender  supervision that  would be undertaken  by                                                            
the  State of  Alaska.  Three  consultants  from a  similar  program                                                            
operated by the Colorado  Department of Corrections would be sharing                                                            
their  expertise   about   the  Containment   Model  theory.   Their                                                            
presentation  would  also incorporate  information  about  Polygraph                                                            
testing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KIM ENGLISH, Consultant,  Colorado Department of Corrections, stated                                                            
that, on behalf of the  Alaska Department of Corrections, she, Peggy                                                            
Heil, and  Jeff Jenks would  present information  about a method  of                                                            
"managing  sex offenders  that is  growing in  use nationwide".  The                                                            
three  of   them  "applaud   the  Department   of  Corrections   for                                                            
considering  this  to  be  a  dangerous  population".   A  slideshow                                                            
presentation  titled "Sex Offender  Containment" [copy on  file] was                                                            
reviewed as follows.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     US Dept of Justice Study                                                                                                   
     About 45 percent of state prisoners participating in the 1991                                                              
     Bureau of Justice Statistics Survey committed the crime while                                                              
     they were on probation or parole.                                                                                          
     *24% of prisoners serving time for RAPE                                                                                    
     *19% of prisoners serving time for SEXUAL ASSAULT                                                                          
      L.A Greenfeld, Sex Offenses and Offenders, Feb. 1997:25                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English summarized  that approximately half of the prisoners who                                                            
participated  in the Study, to include  "one in four or one  in five                                                            
known sex  offenders", committed  a crime  while under correctional                                                             
supervision.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Agenda: The Containment Approach                                                                                           
     * The Need for Specialized Sex Offender Management Practices                                                               
     *Rape Victims Don't Report the Crime                                                                                       
     *The Containment Approach: The Goal is INFORMATION                                                                         
     *What We Can Learn From Sex Offenders                                                                                      
     *Using the Polygraph Examination                                                                                           
     *Treatment Provides Information                                                                                            
     *A few words about housing, quality control and cost benefit                                                               
     of containment.                                                                                                            
     *Questions                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  reviewed the  presentation's  agenda and stressed  that                                                            
the  sex  offender  population  is  different  than  other  offender                                                            
populations. Because rape  victims tend to not "report the crime, it                                                            
must be  understood how this  affects what  we understand about  sex                                                            
offenders and  what we need to know  about how to manage  them". One                                                            
of the goals  of the Containment Approach  is to obtain information                                                             
in order to protect the public.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stated  that much  of what  has been  learned from  sex                                                            
offenders  would  be shared  today.  Mr.  Jinks, who  has  conducted                                                            
34,000 polygraph  examinations, would be discussing  the benefits of                                                            
polygraph examinations,  and Ms. Heil, who developed and managed the                                                            
Colorado Department  of Corrections treatment program  for more than                                                            
20 years,  would be discussing  how treatment  programs allow  for a                                                            
better  understanding of  a sex  offender in  addition to  assisting                                                            
"them  to  change  their  life  patterns".  "Treatment  provides  an                                                            
opportunity for the offender to change".                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stated  that the presentation  would  also address  the                                                            
"big issue of  prisoner housing" in regards to where  a sex offender                                                            
might  live when  they  leave  the Department  of  Corrections.  The                                                            
presentation would also  address quality controls for any new method                                                            
that   might  be   implemented.  "There   is  a   cost  benefit   of                                                            
containment".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Forcible Rapes in 2000                                                                                                     
     *Alaska ranked first in rapes per capita in the United States                                                              
      *Alaska's reported rape is twice the national average**                                                                   
     ** Alaska had 70.3 reported rapes per 100,000 inhabitants                                                                  
          compared to 32 reported rapes US average.                                                                             
                          www.disastercenter.com/crime/akcrime.htm                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     2003 Reported Crime Frequency in Alaska                                                                                    
     *One forcible rape every 15.25 hours                                                                                       
     (This rape represents an annual average)                                                                                   
                          Alaska Dept. of Public Safety,                                                                        
                          2004 Uniform Crime Reporting                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  reviewed the  data and reiterated  that it is  based on                                                            
information  gathered from  rape victims who  actually reported  the                                                            
crime.  The fact that  Alaska ranks  first in  rapes per capita  and                                                            
that its  reported number  of rapes  is twice  the national  average                                                            
could be because  "victims feel more safe" in this  State or perhaps                                                            
because law enforcement  personnel respond differently  at the local                                                            
level.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Forcible Rapes increased 21.7%                                                                                             
     Reported rapes in Alaska increased 21.7% from 2000 to 2003                                                                 
     There were 521 reported forcible rapes and 54 reported                                                                     
     attempted rapes in 2003.                                                                                                   
     There are approximately 4300 registered sex offenders in                                                                   
     Alaska communities.                                                                                                        
                               Alaska Dept. of Public Safety Uniform                                                            
                               Crime Reporting                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stressed that research  indicates that one rape  in 100                                                            
is actually  reported. The  fact that the  State's 4,300  registered                                                            
sex offenders are widely disbursed would present a challenge.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Personal and Social Costs Of Sexual Assault Are Very High                                                                  
     *More than half of victims have been raped more than once.                                                                 
     *6x more likely to develop PTSD.                                                                                           
     *3x more likely to develop major depression.                                                                               
     *13x more likely to attempt suicide.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  shared  that in  addition  to those  victims of  sexual                                                            
assault who develop  depression or attempt suicide,  victims are six                                                            
times  more likely  to develop  the uncomfortable  symptoms such  as                                                            
night  sweats,  headaches,  and  nightmares   associated  with  Post                                                            
Traumatic Stress Syndrome  (PTSD). The cost to society of the affect                                                            
of sexual assault on victims "is incredibly high".                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's Cost of Victimization                                                                                             
     521 victims x $86,500*                                                                                                     
     $45,066,500 per year in costs to victims                                                                                   
          *National Institute of Justice calculated the victim cost                                                             
          of one sexual assault at $86,500                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Only 16 % of victims in the Rape in America study reported the                                                             
     rape.                                                                                                                      
                               Kilpatrick, et al., 1992. Medical                                                                
                               University of South Carolina. N=4008                                                             
                               Rape in America: A Report to the                                                                 
                               Nation.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English stated that  the total lifetime cost for the 521 victims                                                            
of a completed  rape in the State  would amount to $45 million  each                                                            
year. Half of the 16-percent  of sexual assault victims who actually                                                            
reported  the  crime, reported  it  five  years after  it  occurred.                                                            
"Those crimes, of course, could never be prosecuted".                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Who Reports?                                                                                                               
     *Younger age                                                                                                               
     *Knowing the Perpetrator ………. Delay Disclosure                                                                             
                               Smith, Letourneau, Saunders,                                                                     
                  Kilpatrick, Resnick, Best, 2000                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     *Life threat                                                                                                               
     *Physical injury                                                                                                           
     *Stranger perpetrator ……. Increase Likelihood of Disclosure                                                                
                               Hansen, Resnick, Saunders,                                                                       
                               Kilpatrick, Best, 1999                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English stated that  those who tend to delay reporting the crime                                                            
are younger and tend to  know the perpetrator. "Offenders who choose                                                            
children are choosing children who are unlikely to tell".                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English noted that  victims who are more likely to report a rape                                                            
are those  who experienced  a life threat,  had physical injury,  or                                                            
were sexually  assaulted by  a stranger.  Therefore, the people  who                                                            
participate   in  the  studies  she   has  conducted  are   stranger                                                            
perpetrators  or  those who  chose  a "victim  who is  empowered  to                                                            
report" the crime.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Arrest Rates are Low                                                                                                       
     27% of reported sex crimes resulted in an arrest                                                                           
                   NIBRS 1991-1996, Snyder, 2000                                                                                
     In Colorado, between 1994-98, 54% - 70% of those charged with                                                              
     a felony sex crime were convicted of a sex crime.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English  reported  that  according  to  a  study  conducted  in                                                            
approximately  16 states,  only 27-percent  of  reported sex  crimes                                                            
result  in an arrest.  Few victims  report the  crime and seldom  is                                                            
sufficient  information available  through which to make  an arrest.                                                            
In Colorado, sex  crimes are charged as a felony.  Between 50 and 70                                                            
percent  of those so  charged in  Colorado are  convicted. Some  are                                                            
pled down to  misdemeanors. The recommendation  is that "sex  crimes                                                            
never  be pled  to a  crime outside  the family  of  sex crimes"  as                                                            
otherwise,  that information  would not be  included in "the  record                                                            
that this was a sex offender".                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Sex Offender Recidivism Rates: Artificially Low                                                                            
     *Incest: 4-10%                                                                                                             
     *Rapists: 7-35%                                                                                                            
     *Child Molesters with female victims: 10-29%                                                                               
     *Child Molesters with male victims: 13-40%                                                                                 
     *Exhibitionists: 41-71%                                                                                                    
          Marshall and Barbaree (1990)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English noted  that while  sex  offender recidivism  rates  are                                                            
generally quite  low, it should be "realized that  they are based on                                                            
conviction  data". Victims of incest  tend to be young, less  likely                                                            
to report  a crime; and  usually know the  perpetrator. Thus  incest                                                            
offenders'  recidivism rates tend  to be lower than the others.  The                                                            
recidivism rates of rape  offenders increase over those of incest as                                                            
typically  the victim  is an  adult victim,  a stranger,  and  there                                                            
could be violence.  "Overall, the official recidivism  rate is going                                                            
to be artificially  low because victims are not empowered  to report                                                            
the crime;  offenders choose victims  that don't report the  crime…"                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Why Don't Children Report?                                                                                                 
     In one study, children ages 3-12 explained delayed disclosure                                                              
     by saying they feared being disbelieved, punished, or                                                                      
     unprotected                                                                                                                
                               Lawson & Chaffin, 1992                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stated that  the children in  this study were  children                                                            
who  were  sent  to  the  emergency  room   for  having  a  sexually                                                            
transmitted  disease. In  the interviews,  which  were conducted  by                                                            
trained  interviewers,  "only half  of the children  disclosed  that                                                            
they had been sexually assaulted".                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Age at Time of Rape                                                                                                        
     29% …. Less Than 11                                                                                                        
     32% ….  11 - 17                                                                                                            
     22% ….  18 - 24                                                                                                            
     7%  ….  25 - 29                                                                                                            
     6%  …. 30+                                                                                                                 
     3% (unknown)                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stated that rape is typically  a crime of youth,  as 60                                                            
to 65-percent of victims are below the age of 18.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Adult Victims                                                                                                              
     71% concerned about family knowing.                                                                                        
     68% concerned about others knowing.                                                                                        
     69% concerned about being blamed by others.                                                                                
          Rape in America: Report to the Nation (1992)                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English stated  that  oftentimes,  the  perpetrator  of a  rape                                                            
against an  adult is a  family member. The  fact that 69-percent  of                                                            
adult victims  do not report a sexual  assault due to concern  about                                                            
being blamed by  others underscores the fact that,  "we still have a                                                            
society that blames the victim".                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     A goal of The Containment Approach is to obtain and share                                                                  
     information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The Containment Approach Containment Policies                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     POLYGRAPH   TX     CJS                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Confidentially waivers                                                                                                     
     Surveillance officers                                                                                                      
     Consistent policies                                                                                                        
     Interagency teams                                                                                                          
     Employment restriction                                                                                                     
     Internet restriction                                                                                                       
     Approved Tx providers                                                                                                      
     Polygraph examiner approval                                                                                                
     Leisure time monitoring                                                                                                    
     Family Reunification policies                                                                                              
     LE Registration                                                                                                            
     UA                                                                                                                         
     Monitored leisure time                                                                                                     
     72 hour MH hold                                                                                                            
     Ts & Cs of supervision                                                                                                     
     Victim therapist                                                                                                           
     Victim community approval                                                                                                  
     Cross training                                                                                                             
     Victim Services                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stated  that "because  of the lack  of information  and                                                            
because the  onus of obtaining  any information  at all has  been on                                                            
the  back of  the victim",  one  of the  goals "of  the Containment                                                             
Approach  is to  obtain  information  from  the offender  and  other                                                            
places". Information gleamed  from the offender is shared to protect                                                            
the public and potential  victims. The Containment Approach could be                                                            
compared  to a  triangle, whose  three  points are  anchored by  the                                                            
Polygraph Examiner,  the Treatment  Provider (TX), and the  Criminal                                                            
Justice System (CJS).                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English stated that  a Polygraph examination is one tool amongst                                                            
the others.  The tools listed  would be implemented  in addition  to                                                            
established CJS  tools such as employment restrictions  and Internet                                                            
restrictions.  The Containment  Approach would  include "consistent                                                             
policies that are research  driven that are intended to help manage"                                                            
the population  on a daily  basis. This  presentation would  address                                                            
the three anchors.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The Criminal Justice System Provides the Hammer                                                                            
     *Consequences for Failed Polygraph Examinations Must Be:                                                                   
     - Immediate                                                                                                                
     - Linked to the Implied Risk                                                                                               
     - Include Increased Surveillance                                                                                           
     - Involve Obtaining Corroborative Information                                                                              
     - Include Informing Others of Poly Results                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  reviewed  the list  of consequences  and stressed  that                                                            
offenders  must understand  that there  would be  a consequence  for                                                            
failing a  polygraph examination,  as the  absence of a consequence                                                             
would  increase the  likelihood  that the  offender  would pass  the                                                            
exam. "The  Containment Approach  requires  an incredible amount  of                                                            
collaboration  across  disciplines"  to  include the  mental  health                                                            
system,  the CJS,  the law  enforcement  system,  and the  polygraph                                                            
system. Information must be shared.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Sex Offenders Who Failed Supervision                                                                                       
     *Sees self as no risk                                                                                                      
     *Diverse Victim Types                                                                                                      
     *Fewer months in the community                                                                                             
     *Access to victims                                                                                                         
     *Sexual Entitlement                                                                                                        
     *Poor social influences                                                                                                    
                               Hanson and Harris, 1998                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  read the  characteristics applicable  to sex  offenders                                                            
who failed  supervision.  After release from  prison, sex  offenders                                                            
who tend  to fail  "fail  soon". "No  matter what  their  conviction                                                            
crime is", sex offenders  "are considered a danger to all vulnerable                                                            
people".  Poor social  influences means  that "they  have a lack  of                                                            
support".                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     What Can We Learn From Sex Offenders                                                                                       
     Studies with ….                                                                                                            
     *Guaranteed Confidentially                                                                                                 
     *Anonymous Survey, or                                                                                                      
     *Polygraph                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Secrets Revealed                                                                                                           
     Polygraph Research at the Colorado Department of Corrections                                                               
     Comparing Court Information v. Polygraph                                                                                   
                     # of victims         # of offenses                                                                       
     Information                                                                                                                
     at sentencing        2(1)                 7(1)                                                                             
     Sex History          83(21)               394(50)                                                                          
     1st Polygraph        165(24)              511(95)                                                                          
     2nd Polygraph        184(26)              528(95)                                                                          
     Alhmeyer et al.,2000, studied 35 sex offenders in treatment                                                                
     and polygraph testing at the CO Dept. of Corrections. Average                                                              
     admission (medium) of contact & noncontact offenses.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English  stated  that  during  their  initial   research  study                                                            
collaborations,   she   and   Ms.   Heil  utilized   pre-sentencing                                                             
investigation  information that was available at the  court hearing.                                                            
The information  regarding the number of known victims  was compared                                                            
to the  number of  known offenses.  At the time  of a perpetrator's                                                             
sentencing,  there  was  an average  of  two  known victims  and  an                                                            
average of seven known offenses.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English stated  that  perpetrators  provided  more information                                                             
"about  who they are"  during their  participation  in the  Colorado                                                            
Department of  Corrections treatment program developed  by Ms. Heil.                                                            
One component  of the treatment  program is  that the offender  must                                                            
complete  an assignment in  which they "write  out their entire  sex                                                            
history". This provides  insight "regarding all of their victims and                                                            
all  of  their  patterns  of  accessing   the  victims".  These  sex                                                            
histories indicated  an average of 83 victims and  approximately 400                                                            
offenses.  "These are hands-on  and hands-off  offenses" to  include                                                            
voyeurism and rape.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson   asked  regarding   the  numbers  depicted   in  the                                                            
parenthesis.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English clarified  that the numbers depicted in  the parenthesis                                                            
are the medium  or mid-point. That  number is considered  by some to                                                            
present a more stable number;  however, it should be noted, "that in                                                            
this study, the  majority of people that were passing  the polygraph                                                            
were the really  high rate offenders": 30-percent  of those who took                                                            
the first  polygraph passed;  "they were the  ones who were  telling                                                            
the truth and their numbers  were very high". Therefore, the numbers                                                            
at the  point of  the first polygraph  examination  were skewed  and                                                            
would increase  as more offenders passed the polygraph.  The numbers                                                            
for the second  polygraph depicts this. Over time,  and with the use                                                            
of  additional polygraphs,  more  information  is gleamed  and  more                                                            
people  pass the  examination.  The information  should  be used  to                                                            
inform treatment  providers  and develop  supervision programs.  She                                                            
warned that  those involved  in sentencing  an offender without  the                                                            
information   provided  by  a  polygraph   examination  or   from  a                                                            
comprehensive treatment  program, "might find it difficult to obtain                                                            
past  information.   In  other  words,   a  treatment  plan   and  a                                                            
supervision  plan might  be developed  inappropriately  without  the                                                            
knowledge that  the offender had actually  committed more  offenses.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  inquired  regarding  the  point  in  time  that  a                                                            
polygraph examination would be conducted.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English  responded  that  the  first  polygraph   is  typically                                                            
conducted within the first six months of treatment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  understood therefore  that it is conducted  after a                                                            
person is convicted.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English concurred.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asked whether  the people  who participated  in the                                                            
survey were incarcerated.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  affirmed that they were  in prison. In the Containment                                                             
Approach  the Polygraph  is  referenced  to as  the Post-Conviction                                                             
Polygraph.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  asked for further information regarding  the timing                                                            
of the Polygraph.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English replied  that the timing of the Polygraph  is determined                                                            
by how the  system is established.  It could be conducted  while the                                                            
person is incarcerated or after they have been released.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English clarified that  in the system being proposed for Alaska,                                                            
the Polygraph  would be conducted  when the  person is released  and                                                            
living in  a community. The  information in  this study was  gleamed                                                            
from offenders who were in treatment in a Colorado prison.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  understood   therefore   that,  in  Alaska,   the                                                            
conducting of a Polygraph would be a condition of release.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English affirmed.  They  would be  required  to participate  in                                                            
treatment  and a supervision  plan that would  include the use  of a                                                            
Polygraph.  The conditions  should  specify that  the offender  must                                                            
"cooperate, engage in treatment, and pass the Polygraph".                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked whether an offender  is granted immunity  prior                                                            
to taking the Polygraph.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  responded that  there are four  approaches to  managing                                                            
the issue  of new  disclosure.  Further information  in this  regard                                                            
would be provided later in the presentation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Polygraph Research at the Colorado DOC                                                                                     
     Comparing Court Information v. Polygraph                                                                                   
     Admissions of Hands-on Crossover Offending                                                                                 
     223 Sex Offenders Participating in SOTMP TC at the Colorado                                                                
     Department of Corrections                                                                                                  
     Type of Crossover         Court            Polygraph                                                                 
     Adult & Child Victims       7%                 70%                                                                         
     Male & Female Victims       9%                 36%                                                                         
     Multiple Relationships     20%                 86%                                                                         
                          Heil, Ahlmeyer, Simons(2003)                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English stressed  the  importance of  this information,  as  it                                                            
underscores  that "we don't  know very much"  at the point  of court                                                            
sentencing.  For example,  during  court proceedings,  it was  known                                                            
that seven-percent  of  the 223  sex offenders  had victimized  both                                                            
adults  and children.  That number  increased to  70-percent when  a                                                            
Polygraph examination  was conducted. She reminded  that most of the                                                            
offenders at that point  were not passing the Polygraph examination.                                                            
The heading  "Multiple Relationships"  would include such  things as                                                            
incest,  being in a  position of  trust, or  an acquaintance  verses                                                            
being a  stranger. "Most  people think that  a stranger rapist  is a                                                            
stranger  rapist.  This  is  not  the  case.  This  is  a  crime  of                                                            
opportunity".   Research  is  beginning  to  reflect   that.  People                                                            
incorrectly  believe  that  incest  perpetrators  only  commit  that                                                            
offense  with family  members, and  that once the  child ages,  that                                                            
person "is  no longer at risk". Research  indicates that  victims of                                                            
incest  have testified  that their  family member  perpetrator  also                                                            
harmed the victim's girlfriends.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     180 convicted sex offenders on probation and                                                                               
     parole in TX, WI, OR                                                                                                       
     Current Conviction Crime: Incest                                                                                           
     N=80                                                                                                                       
     Ever assaulted…                                                                                                          
     Assaulted strangers                  35%                                                                                   
     Assaulted  from position of trust    57%                                                                                   
     Assaulted adult victims              36%                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stated  that absent  the sex  history  of these  incest                                                            
offenders, and  were information limited to their  conviction crime,                                                            
it  would "never  have  been  known that  one-third  of  them had  a                                                            
history of assaulting strangers" or adult victims.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Average Age of Onset                                                                                                       
     Study                Type of Offender     Age of Onset                                                               
     Freeman-Longo        Rapist                    18                                                                          
          (1985)          Child Molester            15                                                                          
     Elliot (1984)        Juvenile Rapists          16 peak                                                                     
     Emerick &Dutton      Juvenile Child                                                                                        
        (1993)          Molesters                 13 median                                                                     
     Ahlmeyer et al.                                                                                                            
          (2000)          Inmates                   12                                                                          
     English et al.                                                                                                             
          (2001)          Supervised on Parole                                                                                  
                          or Probation              12                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Average Lag Time in Detection                                                                                              
     Study                Type of Offender     # of Years                                                                     
     Freeman-Longo        Rapist                    6                                                                           
          (1985)          Child Molester            13                                                                          
     Elliot (1986)*       Paraphiliacs              10                                                                          
     Ahlmeyer et al.                                                                                                            
          (2000)          Rapists and                                                                                           
                          Child Molesters           16                                                                          
          * as cited by Abel, Wisconsin Training Tapes                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stated that while the  average age of onset  varies, it                                                            
occurs at a young age,  "typically" age 15 or 16, but it could be as                                                            
young as  12 or 13 years  of age. There "is  an enormous lag  in the                                                            
protection  time"; usually there  is a lag  time of ten to  15 years                                                            
"before they come to the  attention of the criminal justice system …                                                            
their coming  to the criminal  justice system  is not a function  of                                                            
who they are,  but rather the victim that they choose  that reported                                                            
that crime, that time".                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     How Does the Polygraph Work?                                                                                               
          Fear of Detection                                                                                                     
          Fight or Flight Response                                                                                              
          Autonomic Nervous System                                                                                              
          Polygraph Responses                                                                                                   
          Computerized Scoring/Manual Scoring.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JEFF   JINKS,  Consultant   and   Owner/Operator   of  Amigen-Jinks                                                             
Incorporated,   informed  the  Committee   that  he  has   conducted                                                            
approximately  34,000 polygraph  examinations  since 1978. Prior  to                                                            
1989, his examinations  primarily focused on pre-conviction tests on                                                            
offenders of all  types of crime to include sex offenses,  homicide,                                                            
theft,  and  arson.  The  states  of  Oregon  and  Washington  began                                                            
conducting post-conviction  sex offender testing in the early 1980s.                                                            
In  1989, his  company  was  the first  to conduct  post-conviction                                                             
polygraph testing on sex offenders in Colorado.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jinks  disclosed that  the  first  test  was conducted  at  the                                                            
request  of a  local  therapist who  suspected  his  client was  not                                                            
telling  the complete  story.  Rather than  the desire  to test  the                                                            
important question  of the "accuracy or reliability"  of a Polygraph                                                            
test,  the therapist's  primary  interest was  to see  what kind  of                                                            
information he could obtain  outside of "a therapeutic setting". The                                                            
offender who was in an  eight-year probationary program for sexually                                                            
assaulting one  of his daughter's friends, admitted  during the pre-                                                            
test Polygraph  activity  conducted  prior to  the actual  Polygraph                                                            
test,  to   four  other   sexual  assaults.   After  the   Polygraph                                                            
examination  was  concluded,  he admitted  to  an  additional  three                                                            
assaults,  including both  of his  daughters.  Their being  sexually                                                            
assaulted  had  never   been  suspected  before.  After   this,  the                                                            
therapist  had   the  entirety  of  his  clients  tested,   and  the                                                            
information  gleamed  from  the Polygraph  examinations  turned  the                                                            
therapist's program "upside down as far as what he learned".                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks  stated that  in order  for a Polygraph  to be  effective,                                                            
there must be "a fear of  detection". Absent that fear, it would not                                                            
be "a reliable  and accurate  tool". When  the fear of detection  is                                                            
present, "the fight or  flight response takes control". This affects                                                            
a person's  Autonomic  Nervous System,  which is  the body's  system                                                            
that is  measured in a  polygraph test. People  are unable  to exert                                                            
control  of  this  system,  which  includes  such  things  as  blood                                                            
pressure, pulse rate, blood  volume, and the galvanic skin response,                                                            
which  is an electric  current  that flows through  the fingertips.                                                             
This  response  is  measured  through  electrodes  attached  to  the                                                            
fingers, that  measures such things as perspiration.  Respiration is                                                            
also  measured.  Polygraph   computerized  scoring  technology   was                                                            
developed in 1989. The  polygraph testing that is typically depicted                                                            
on television  with the ink pens that  move up and down on  a scroll                                                            
of paper is older technology that is seldom utilized anymore.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jinks continued  that  initially,  Polygraph test  scoring  was                                                            
determined  by the  examiner's interpretation  of  the lines on  the                                                            
chart. New computerized  technology, referred to as  Polyscores, now                                                            
analyze  the  data  through  the use  of  a  series  of complicated                                                             
mathematical  algorithms developed  by Johns Hopkins University  who                                                            
"touts" that, under "perfect"  testing scenarios, it has a very high                                                            
accuracy  rate. A  perfect test  scenario  would be  one that is  "a                                                            
specific  issue Polygraph  on a specific  situation": approximately                                                             
one-third   of   Polygraph   tests   are   conducted   under   those                                                            
circumstances. Typically,  the utility type of Polygraph tests "more                                                            
than one relevant area or testing on more than one issue".                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Accuracy of the Polygraph Test                                                                                             
     National Academy of Sciences (2003) set median accuracy at 89%                                                             
     with a range of 70 to 99%                                                                                                  
                          Page 125                                                                                              
               Information from Raymond Nelson & H.                                                                             
                          Lawson Hagler(2004)                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks communicated  that the National Academy of Sciences' study                                                            
determined the median accuracy  of Polygraphs at 89-percent. Studies                                                            
having  an  accuracy  rate  of  70-percent   were  those  that  were                                                            
conducted "in the worst  circumstances" in that their pre-employment                                                            
Polygraph  examination contained  up to 20  key relevant  questions.                                                            
That would  result in an  inaccurate test.  Even though those  tests                                                            
earned  a  70-percent   accuracy  rating,  Polygraph  professionals                                                             
consider that rate as "unacceptable".  Polygraph examinations of sex                                                            
offenders  typically  "test  a maximum  of  three to  four  relevant                                                            
questions": this  increases both the accuracy and  reliability rate.                                                            
Another  important  consideration  in  Polygraph  accuracy  "is  the                                                            
experience  of the examiner  himself". The  goal of examiners  is to                                                            
achieve an  accuracy rate  of 99-percent.  In reality, the  accuracy                                                            
rate is approximately  95-percent in regards to "this  population of                                                            
individuals".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     What happens during an exam?                                                                                               
     1. Pre-Test                                                                                                                
          -Review medical conditions                                                                                            
          -Sign release and consent forms                                                                                       
          -Explain purpose of exam                                                                                              
          -Review terminology                                                                                                   
          -Develop final questions                                                                                              
          -Calibrate instrument                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks declared that  a "polygraph is a medical recording device"                                                            
and should be administered  when a person "is at their most normal";                                                            
not when  a person  is sick or  in discomfort.  It is acceptable  to                                                            
test  a person  who,  as a  matter of  routine,  takes prescription                                                             
medicine  or has  had, for  instance,  long-term  discomfort from  a                                                            
lingering backache.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Only 2-4 Questions Allowed                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     There can be NO surprise or trick questions.                                                                               
     Questions must focus on BEHAVIORS.                                                                                         
     - No mental state questions.                                                                                               
     - No intent questions.                                                                                                     
     No emotionally laden language                                                                                              
     "rape"     "murder" "molest"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks  stated that a  Polygraph is never  conducted without  the                                                            
process  being explained,  to include  the questions  that would  be                                                            
asked.  "There is  no  surprise tactic".  The  reason  being that  a                                                            
"surprise response" resembles  a deceptive response. The pre-testing                                                            
component could  take between half-an-hour to an hour  and a-half to                                                            
conduct. Terminology  is important; the definition  of words must be                                                            
understood.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks  continued  that one  reason  the first  Polygraph is  not                                                            
conducted when  an offender initially enters the program  is because                                                            
the treatment  provided includes legal clarification  of terminology                                                            
and definitions.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks stressed, "this  particular population rationalizes better                                                            
than any other  criminal in the world". Rationalization  "is used to                                                            
excuse their behavior";  they do not view their victims  as victims;                                                            
instead they place the blame for the offense on the victim.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     2. In-Test                                                                                                                 
          -2-4 relevant questions tucked inside 10-20 comparison                                                                
          questions                                                                                                             
          -Relevant questions must be specific                                                                                  
          -Run 3 sets of charts                                                                                                 
          -Score and interpret chart markings (pen tracings)                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks  stated that while  many areas are  discussed in  the pre-                                                            
test interview,  the Polygraph examination itself  is limited to two                                                            
to four relevant  questions. Unlike comparison questions,  which are                                                            
board-based,  relevant  questions are  very specific.  A minimum  of                                                            
three  sets of  charts is  run in order  to provide  consistency  of                                                            
responses.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     3. Post Test                                                                                                               
     -Conducting   an  in-depth  interview  with  examinee,   giving                                                            
          him/her an opportunity to explain deceptive findings                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jinks stated  that  one  of the  most  important  aspects of  a                                                            
Polygraph  is  the  post-test  interview.   The  experience  of  the                                                            
examiner is an important  element of this phase. A thorough job must                                                            
be conducted  in the pre-test interview,  as from it, questions  are                                                            
developed and  information is gleamed  from the individual  "without                                                            
an interrogative  approach" being conducted. The pre-test  interview                                                            
is simply a  question and answer period,  and an observer  "would be                                                            
surprised  on" how non-confrontational  it  is. Some might  view the                                                            
pre-test interview  as "boring". The  post-test interview;  however,                                                            
could become  "more confrontational"  without  being argumentative.                                                             
The examiner  could make  statements that  convey to the  individual                                                            
that, "they are  having problems in certain areas,  or that in their                                                            
opinion,  they are  not telling  the truth  in certain  areas".  The                                                            
confession rate  of offenders in the post-test interview  who failed                                                            
the Polygraph  examination is approximately 90-percent.  In summary,                                                            
rather than  relying solely  on the Polygraph  examination  results,                                                            
statements  made by  the examiner  in  the post-test  interview  are                                                            
important.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The Purposes of the PC Exams Vary                                                                                          
     -  Sex History:  Obtain information  on past  victims and  past                                                            
     methods  used to  access  those victims.  Need to  know age  of                                                            
     onset, frequency, extent of crossover behavior.                                                                            
     - Specific  Issue: Offender may be in denial  about the crime…,                                                            
      or  may be  facing a  new accusation…,  or may  have failed  a                                                            
     recent examination… .                                                                                                      
     -  Maintenance:  Check  out  assault   patterns  and  behaviors                                                            
     regarding   supervision  conditions.   Looking  for   precursor                                                            
     behaviors!!!                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "Fantasies are tantamount to planning sessions… ."                                                                         
                                William Pithers, 1990                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jinks  stated  there are  primarily  four  different  types  of                                                            
Polygraph examinations.  The sex history  Polygraph is administered                                                             
three to six  months into the treatment  program after the  offender                                                            
has  written  their  sex  history.   In response   to  the  question                                                            
regarding  how the  information gleamed  might be  used against  the                                                            
individual, he  shared that detailed information on  past victims is                                                            
not typically  sought.  The primary  goal is  to garner information                                                             
such  as the  name, age,  and access  they  had to  the victim.  The                                                            
information is vague to  the point that it could not be used against                                                            
the individual. However,  it should be noted that the administrators                                                            
of the  treatment program  could utilize  the information.  The fact                                                            
that offenders know that  a thorough sex history of their victims is                                                            
a component  of  their  therapy has  proven  to be  valuable to  the                                                            
Colorado  treatment program.  He reiterated  that it is common  that                                                            
offenders  are in denial  of their  crime. "Many  of them have  pled                                                            
without admitting  to the crime itself".  If the offender  continues                                                            
to be in denial,  the Polygraph would  be the first test  conducted,                                                            
as for  treatment to  be effective,  the individual  must admit  the                                                            
situation. "The  Polygraph is extremely successful  in accomplishing                                                            
this". A Polygraph  is also administered as the result  of failing a                                                            
previous  examination  or  as  the result  of  a  recent  allegation                                                            
against them.  These would be the most accurate examinations,  as it                                                            
would address a specific  point in time, a very specific allegation.                                                            
The maintenance  polygraph, which  is conducted approximately  every                                                            
three  to six  months, is  conducted when  the individual  is  under                                                            
supervised conditions, such as being on probation.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Sex History Exam                                                                                                           
     *Types of past victims (gender, age, relationship)                                                                         
     *Frequency of assaults                                                                                                     
     *Types of behaviors (voyeurism, rape, child molesting,                                                                     
     internet)                                                                                                                  
     *Modus Operandi !!!!                                                                                                       
     - Did they get friendly with parent?                                                                                       
     - Go to church to find single, exhausted moms?                                                                             
     - Always engaged in obscene phone calls before rape?                                                                       
     - Lured child with puppy?                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks reviewed  the components  of the sex history examination.                                                             
He noted  that the use of  pets is a common  modus operandi  as pets                                                            
attract children.  "While a  vast majority  of such people  are just                                                            
fine and are doing  it for sheer enjoyment of teaching  kids", he is                                                            
always suspicious of a  youth sports coach, a Sunday school teacher,                                                            
a boy scout leader  and others who have no children.  Unfortunately,                                                            
"some of these people do  this type of thing for the wrong reasons …                                                            
they  prey on  children  and take  those positions  so  they can  be                                                            
around children".                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Specific Issue Exam                                                                                                        
     * Used when offender is denying offense or significant aspects                                                             
     of the offense                                                                                                             
     * Used when there is an allegation                                                                                         
     * Used to clear up a past deceptive test                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks  stated that  while an  offender might  admit to a  sexual                                                            
assault they commonly  deny that force was used. The  specific issue                                                            
examination  could  be  used  to  address  this  issue. Oftentimes,                                                             
offenders  "will  throw  a bone"  in  the hope  that  efforts  would                                                            
concentrate  on that.  When  such maneuvers  are  identified in  the                                                            
examination  process, therapy  would be  used to  address it,  and a                                                            
follow-up Polygraph is conducted.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Monitoring Polygraph                                                                                                       
     * To monitor problem behavior…                                                                                             
     * Since entering treatment                                                                                                 
          - While on probation/parole                                                                                           
          - Since the last polygraph exam                                                                                       
          - Conducted every 3-6 months                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jinks stated  that the  Monitoring  Polygraph  is conducted  to                                                            
evaluate  a person's  behavior  while  on probation  as  well as  to                                                            
evaluate whether the treatment  program developed for the individual                                                            
is working.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Monitoring Testing                                                                                                         
     * Provided information on whether the offender is changing his                                                             
     lifestyle and applying what they are learning in treatment                                                                 
     * Provides information on whether he is continuing to engage                                                               
     in high-risk behaviors                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks reviewed  the Monitoring Testing component  and reiterated                                                            
that, initially  for him, the amount of crossover  behavior that was                                                            
exposed in the  post-conviction testing was surprising.  "These guys                                                            
are very  busy, they are  sexually motivated  to a lot of  different                                                            
things and  they are committing a  lot of different sex crimes".  He                                                            
shared that he originally  "had a preconceived notion in my business                                                            
that a rapist…  that was primarily  his crime and he was  just going                                                            
to go  after adult  women". He has  "found just  the opposite  to be                                                            
true, they  prey on everyone and anything  at any time if  given the                                                            
opportunity".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
      Specific-Issue Tests Are Used to Clarify Risk Concerns                                                                    
          A specific-issue exam should be scheduled when concerns                                                               
          persist even after increasing surveillance.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jinks warned  that  once the  program is  begun,  even were  an                                                            
offender  to pass the  Polygraph, it  is not the  time to relax  and                                                            
think that  the treatment  has worked.  "That is  not the case  many                                                            
times". Oftentimes, an  offender who passes a Polygraph test has the                                                            
false impression that he  has "free reign to do what he did before …                                                            
because everyone now trusts him…"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Polygraph as a Deterrent                                                                                                   
     Abrams and Ogard, 1986                                                                                                     
     Studied the deterrent effect of polygraph on offenders on                                                                  
     probation:                                                                                                                 
          * Supervision with polygraph - 69% successful compliance                                                              
          with probation                                                                                                        
          * Supervision without polygraph - 26% successful                                                                      
          compliance with probation                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks read the information.  The polygraph is a 24-hour leash as                                                            
the possibility  of undergoing another examination  is on offenders'                                                            
minds. People have been  quoted as saying that they were "tempted to                                                            
do" something decided against  it because they knew a polygraph test                                                            
was scheduled.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Examiner Qualifications                                                                                                    
     *Graduated from APA accredited polygraph school                                                                            
     *Colorado Standards: Minimum of 150 criminal issue exams.                                                                  
     *Minimum of 50 clinical exams in 12-month period.                                                                          
     *40 hours of specialized training every 3 years.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks  stated  that the tests  with the  70-percent examination                                                             
success  rates were  conducted  by less  experienced  examiners.  In                                                            
addition  to the scientific  aspect of a  Polygraph, "there  is also                                                            
the artistic  approach".  This is  the area in  which the  Polygraph                                                            
examiner's  credentials  are  important.  He reviewed  the  Colorado                                                            
examiner  qualifications.  Post-conviction  sex  offender  Polygraph                                                            
examinations  are "trickier" to conduct  than other types  of exams,                                                            
due to the offenders' tendency  to rationalize. Personally, he would                                                            
require that  an examiner  conduct a minimum  of four to five  tests                                                            
per  week  to  retain  qualifications.  He  shared  that  after  not                                                            
conducting  an examination for a period  of approximately  ten days,                                                            
the  interviewing  and  interrogation   technique  process  must  be                                                            
refreshed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Implementation Considerations                                                                                              
     * Develop procedures                                                                                                       
     * Educate therapists                                                                                                       
     * Develop sex history questionnaires                                                                                       
     * Set examiner qualifications and requirements                                                                             
      Videotape exams                                                                                                           
     * Develop system to track and use results                                                                                  
     * Educate stakeholders                                                                                                     
     * Develop consequences                                                                                                     
                     Simons, Heil, Ahlmeyer, 2003                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Jinks  reviewed  the  process  and voiced  that  the  State  of                                                            
Colorado is  willing to share the  questionnaires it has  developed.                                                            
The State of  Alaska has, to date,  already developed very  thorough                                                            
Polygraph qualifications  and requirement guidelines. Videotaping of                                                            
the  examinations  "is  a  must",  as,  in  Colorado's  experience,                                                             
offenders would  say one thing during the Polygraph  examination and                                                            
then communicate  something else to the therapist  or deny that they                                                            
had  said  something.   Sex  offenders  have  been  "secretive   and                                                            
manipulative their entire lives...".                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
      Summary: Value of Polygraph Testing in Risk Assessment                                                                    
     - Increase information on past offenses                                                                                    
     - Evaluate treatment effectiveness/compliance                                                                              
     - Evaluate risk of child contact                                                                                           
     Without the poly we're operating blind                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks stated that the  increased amount of information retrieved                                                            
from the Polygraph examination  was recognized by correctional staff                                                            
as having  the most  value. Polygraphs  provided  more complete  and                                                            
honest information  that correctional staff had been  able to obtain                                                            
otherwise, and the acceptance  of that fact led to "team" efforts in                                                            
developing effective treatment programs.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Caution                                                                                                                    
     * Polygraph testing should never be used in isolation                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     * Multiple methods should always be used                                                                                   
     * Polygraph = treatment = more information than Polygraph or                                                               
          treatment alone                                                                                                       
     * Admissions made in the process of polygraph testing should                                                               
          be confirmed through collateral sources or retesting.                                                                 
                                     Heil, 2004                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PEGGY HEIL, Consultant,  Colorado Department of Corrections,  shared                                                            
that  during  the  first  ten of  her  twenty  years  experience  in                                                            
administering  sex  offender  treatment  programs,  the  benefit  of                                                            
Polygraph  testing  was  unavailable.  She  would  never  desire  to                                                            
develop treatment programs  again without it, as it would be akin to                                                            
being  "blind  to what's  going  on".  However,  she warned  that  a                                                            
Polygraph  should not  be used  in isolation,  as  it would  provide                                                            
incomplete  information.  Under  normal  circumstances,  only  three                                                            
questions  could  be  asked  during   the  Polygraph  test  and  any                                                            
additional information  about the reason for an offender's deceptive                                                            
might not  be difficult to  acquire. Someone  would be required  "to                                                            
monitor  their  behavior"  … looking  at  what  they are  saying  in                                                            
treatment.  What is  needed is a  collection of  information  from a                                                            
variety of  information sources, "including  collateral information                                                             
from family members,  employers, etc". She stressed  that "Polygraph                                                            
plus treatment  produces  more information  about the offender  than                                                            
Polygraph or treatment alone".                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Options for Processing Information on Past Crimes                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     No Immunity                                                                                                              
     Specific information  (i.e., date, place, name of victim) would                                                            
     not be collected on past crimes                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Information  on the range,  type, and  pattern of sex  offenses                                                            
     would be collected                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Information  on  the range  and type  of past  crimes would  be                                                            
     reported  in an  M.O. database  that  could be  queried by  law                                                            
     enforcement                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Sentencing limitations                                                                                                   
     Specific  information  on  past crimes  would  be obtained  and                                                            
     reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     If District  Attorneys decide  to prosecute they would  utilize                                                            
     sentences,  which increase the length of supervision  but still                                                            
     allow  for the possibility  of community  supervision  when the                                                            
     offender   is   complying   with   treatment   and   monitoring                                                            
     requirements                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Sentence   options  could  include:  lifetime  probation,   sex                                                            
     offender's act (1 day to life) or deferred sentence                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Limited Immunity                                                                                                         
     Specific  information  on  past crimes  would  be obtained  and                                                            
     reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Offenders would sign  a limited immunity agreement, which would                                                            
     include  provisions that  they would not  be prosecuted  on the                                                            
     offense  as long as  they complied  with recommended  treatment                                                            
     and did not reoffend                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Full Immunity                                                                                                            
     Specific  information  on  past crimes  would  be obtained  and                                                            
     reported to the appropriate law enforcement agency                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Offenders would not be prosecuted for past crimes                                                                          
                                     Heil, 2000                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  stated that the  Member's question  pertaining to  how the                                                            
information  gained from  an offender's Polygraph  would be  treated                                                            
could  be addressed  through  a variety  of options  to include:  no                                                            
immunity;   sentencing  limitations;   limited  immunity;   or  full                                                            
immunity. Colorado  opted not to ask  an offender for actual  dates,                                                            
locations,  or   names  of  victims;  but  rather   choose  to  seek                                                            
information relating to  patterns of behavior. These questions could                                                            
include  such things as  the age and  gender of  the victim  and the                                                            
relationship  category.  A  profile  could be  developed  from  such                                                            
general information.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil stated that "other  jurisdictions have worked with district                                                            
attorneys to grant Limited  Immunities" in that were an offender "to                                                            
continue to participate  in treatment, comply with supervision, then                                                            
they  would  not  be  prosecuted  for  the  crimes".  Actual  names,                                                            
locations  and other specific  information  would be collected,  and                                                            
were the  offender to become  noncompliant  with the terms  of their                                                            
treatment, the  information would be used for prosecution  purposes.                                                            
One of the positive  results of limited immunity is  that being able                                                            
to identify a victim could  allow assistance to be provided to them.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  stressed that  the State  of Alaska  should decide  how to                                                            
address this issue prior to incorporating Polygraph testing.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Value of Treatment: Public Safety                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                   Goal of Treatment is Public Safety                                                                           
         Recidivism           Information          Prevention &                                                           
          Reduction         for Supervision      General Detection                                                        
                              And Detection                                                                                   
    Teach offenders           Determine          Contribute to                                                                  
     lifestyle change          offending            General                                                                     
                  Patterns of           Knowledge                                                                               
                          Specific offenders           of                                                                       
                           Sex Offenses                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  stressed  that sex offender  treatment  is different  than                                                            
traditional mental  health treatment. Contrary to  the common belief                                                            
that sex offenders  could not be cured  and that treating  them is a                                                            
"waste of  resources … there  are several  benefits to treating  sex                                                            
offenders". Teaching  skills about how to manage their  behavior and                                                            
not  re-offend  is important.  Similar  to  an alcoholic  who  might                                                            
choose   to  drink  again,   they  might   "choose  to  re-offend";                                                             
particularly  if  they  were  under   stress,  as  "they  enjoy  the                                                            
behavior".                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  stressed that efforts  must be  made within "the  criminal                                                            
justice system  to create a culture that makes the  choice to manage                                                            
their problem  more desirable than"  re-offending. Polygraph  is one                                                            
incentive  in that  regard,  as the  offender  knows  that it  would                                                            
increase  the  likelihood  of  their being  caught.  There  must  be                                                            
consequences for an offender  not choosing to manage their behavior.                                                            
Valuable  information is discovered  in treatment:  "Why do  they do                                                            
what they  do; the  patterns" that  occur prior  to re-offending  so                                                            
that intervention  might  prevent the  occurrence  of a new  victim.                                                            
Information that is provided  could be used to develop new treatment                                                            
plans;  determine  the appropriate  housing  for an  offender  after                                                            
release; and increase  the chance that someone who  re-offends might                                                            
"be caught sooner rather than later".                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Heil shared  that  in Colorado,  information  about  offenders'                                                            
"crime dynamics" was shared  with law enforcement, so that, were any                                                            
unsolved crime  to fit a known offender's  pattern, action  could be                                                            
taken.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  stated that the  final component  learned in treatment  is                                                            
knowledge  about how this  behavior "develops  in people";  how they                                                            
"groom victims, or set  up their offenses". This information is also                                                            
shared  with  law  enforcement,  victim  treatment   providers,  and                                                            
others.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Heil distributed  a  statement  written by  a sex  offender  in                                                            
treatment  titled "Grooming  Families and  Children" [copy  on file]                                                            
that reads as follows.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                     GROOMING FAMILIES AND CHILDREN                                                                             
                        Accountability Statement                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  simple fact was,  all of my victims  were kids or  had the                                                            
     mind of a child. And  it's hard for someone to believe a child,                                                            
     or that I  could do this, because I was the type  of person who                                                            
     would help  out when someone needed something,  such as a ride,                                                            
     money,  something fixed  on the  car or in  the house.  I would                                                            
     also make sure people  knew that I was doing this. That way, if                                                            
     one  of my victims  did say  something, I  would tell them,  "I                                                            
     couldn't  do something like that.  Look at what I've  done. No.                                                            
     How could  I do something like  that? For some reason,  the kid                                                            
     is lying."  Then, I would bring  up incidents where  that child                                                            
     had lied.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     I also set  this up by giving the kid a toy or  money, and when                                                            
     he told  his parents about it,  I would tell the parents,  "No,                                                            
     it wasn't me. Hell,  I can't afford to give my own kid money or                                                            
     toys like that," and  just simple things like that. So, after a                                                            
     long time  of making the child out to be a liar,  that's when I                                                            
     would assault  him. Then, if he did tell, no  one would believe                                                            
     him. Most  of the family was  dysfunctional anyway,  and all of                                                            
     my victims  were either physically  abused or mentally  abused.                                                            
     So, communication  in the family  wasn't that good,  and I know                                                            
     this from  the story. And the  parent didn't have time  for the                                                            
     kids, or they just annoyed them.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                    Admitted # of Sex Crime Victims                                                                             
                              Mean (Median)                                                                                     
     Source          Inmates (n=35)       Parolees(n=25)                                                                  
     PSIR                 2(1)                 2(1)                                                                             
     Sexual History       83(21)               4(2)                                                                             
     1st Poly             165(24)              6(3)                                                                             
     2nd Poly             184(26)              7(3)                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Includes victims of contact and non-contact sex offenses                                                                   
                               Ahlmeyer, Heil, McKee, English, 2000                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil shared  that the inmates  included in this polygraph  study                                                            
were in  the advanced portion  of treatment.  Their treatment  would                                                            
have consisted  of approximately  nine months  of four-times  a week                                                            
meetings.  The  parolee  comparison   group  had  not  received  any                                                            
treatment in prison, had  recently been released into the community,                                                            
and had  not started treatment  at the point  of Polygraph  testing.                                                            
While the deception  rate was similar, the inmates,  after initially                                                            
being deceptive,  provided  accurate information  during  treatment.                                                            
The parolees who  were not in treatment, did not.  This supports the                                                            
fact that the  combination of Polygraph and treatment  would provide                                                            
"the most information".                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Sex Offender Treatment                                                                                                     
     *Offense Specific               *Traditional Therapy                                                                       
    - Non-trust basis/external      - Accept client statements                                                                  
     verification of statements      as truth                                                                                   
     - Verify changes in behavior -Client has choice to                                                                         
     -Client's responsibility to  change                                                                                        
     change                          -Non=judgment and                                                                          
     -Client has choices             supportive of client                                                                       
     -CONSEQUENCES if                choices                                                                                    
     directives are not followed     -No consequences for                                                                       
     -Focus on present               choices                                                                                    
     -Limited confidentiality        -Focus on insight regarding                                                                
     -Behavior change reg'd          the past                                                                                   
                     -Complete confidentiality                                                                                  
                                     -No change required                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil stressed that  the sex offender treatment program, which is                                                            
an   accountability-based   approach,   is  "very   different   from                                                            
traditional  mental health treatment".  She reviewed both  treatment                                                            
program  approaches.   The  sex  offender  program  should   include                                                            
consequences for an offender's  buying of such things as pornography                                                            
as  it  "creates  that  interest   and  moves  them  closer  to  re-                                                            
offending".  Sex  offender   information  is  shared  with  the  law                                                            
enforcement community, as this is important in promoting safety.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Does Sex Offender Treatment Work?                                                                                          
     Washington State Institute for Public Policy                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                 Recidivism Rate                                                                                
     Type of Treatment         Without         With                                                                       
     Cognitive-Behavioral       6.4%           3.5%                                                                             
     Psychotherapy              6.4%           11.2%                                                                            
     Behavioral                 6.4%           5.5%                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil stated  that different types of treatment  were surveyed to                                                            
address  the question  of whether  the money spent  on sex  offender                                                            
treatment  "is a  wise" expenditure  of  tax dollars.  The  findings                                                            
indicate  that traditional  psychotherapy  treatment  increased  the                                                            
recidivism  rate  of  sex offenders  while  the  use  of  cognitive-                                                            
behavioral  treatment,  "which is  what sex offense  treatment  is",                                                            
decreased the recidivism rate by half.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Intensity and length of treatment had a                                                                                    
     measurable effect on outcome                                                                                               
                               English, 2003                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     This finding is similar to drug and alcohol research findings                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  stated that an  intense and lengthy  treatment program  is                                                            
required in order for an offender to manage their behavior.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Parole Outcomes 1993-2002                                                                                                  
                N=1585                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     "Phase 2" is the Therapeutic Community                                                                                     
     *No treatment: 52.3% Completed; 47.7% Revoked                                                                              
     *Phase 1: 70.0% Completed; 30.0% Revoked                                                                                   
     *Phase 1 & 2: 84.3% Completed; 15.7% Revoked                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Differences are significant                                                                                                
                          Colorado Division of Criminal Justice, ORS                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil stated  that the sex offender  treatment programs  utilized                                                            
by the Colorado  Department of Corrections  consists of two  phases:                                                            
treatment and  polygraph testing while the person  was incarcerated;                                                            
and supervision,  treatment,  and polygraph  testing when they  were                                                            
paroled and released  into the community. She reviewed  the findings                                                            
associated  with those who  had completed  parole with treatment  to                                                            
those who had  received no or some treatment. Treatment  resulted in                                                            
"a cost savings", as those  who fail and whose parole is revoked are                                                            
sent to prison.  This is a "more expensive location"  than living in                                                            
the community.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Parole Release v. Discharge                                                                                                
     VIOLENT ARREST at 1 year                                                                                                   
     *No treatment: 8.4% Discharge from Parole n=1003                                                                           
                     14.3% Discharge from Prison n=2040                                                                         
     *Phase 1: 3.0% Discharge from Parole n=1003                                                                                
                7.9% Discharge from Prison n=2040                                                                               
     *Phase 1 & 2:   0.9% Discharge from Parole n=1003                                                                          
                      6.9% % Discharge from Prison n=2040                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Differences are significant                                                                                                
                          Colorado Division of Criminal Justice, ORS                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  noted that those  who are discharged  without parole  were                                                            
also  studied and  compared  to those  discharged  with parole.  The                                                            
group  that had  parole  supervision  as  they transitioned  out  of                                                            
incarceration "did better as far as violent arrests".                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Success is in the combination of prison                                                                                    
     and community containment                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Twin Rivers Correctional Center in Washington                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     *After  2000 days, 40% of sex  offenders receiving only  prison                                                            
     treatment only prison treatment failed                                                                                     
     *After  2000  days,  15%  of  sex  offenders  receiving  prison                                                            
     treatment and community treatment and supervision failed                                                                   
                               Gordon & Packard, 1999                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Heil  stated  that both  groups  in  this  study  had  received                                                            
treatment  while  incarcerated;  however,  those  who did  not  have                                                            
follow-up  supervision and  services in the  community had  a higher                                                            
failure rate.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Where will sex offenders  live after their release from prison?                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Research Regarding Living Arrangements                                                                                     
     *Sex  offender  probationers  living  with  their  families  in                                                            
     Denver  were  more  likely  to  have  a  criminal  &  technical                                                            
     violation than those living in other types of residences                                                                   
     *For  high-risk offenders,  those  with no  support and  living                                                            
     with  a family  member or friends  had the  highest numbers  of                                                            
     violations                                                                                                                 
     * Living  with a family member or friends does  not necessarily                                                            
     mean  that he  or  she is  living in  a supportive  or  healthy                                                            
     environment                                                                                                                
                     Colorado Sex Offender Management Board, 2004                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Research Regarding Living Arrangements                                                                                     
     *Those who  had support in their lives had significantly  lower                                                            
     numbers  of  violations  than  those  who had  negative  or  no                                                            
     support                                                                                                                    
     *Recommendation -Efforts  should be made to ensure that the sex                                                            
     offender's  support is positive  in order to aid in  his or her                                                            
     treatment                                                                                                                  
                     Colorado Sex Offender Management Board, 2004                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil stated  that some treatment providers in  Colorado tested a                                                            
program called  Shared Living Arrangements, in which  offenders live                                                            
together  in  a  house   with  supervision  and  receive   treatment                                                            
including Polygraph  testing. While some people were  concerned that                                                            
sex offenders were living  together, this study indicated that those                                                            
receiving this type of  support re-offended less and had fewer other                                                            
problems than those who lived with their families.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Positive Support Defined                                                                                                   
     *Awareness  of  the cycle,  offense  patterns  and early  abuse                                                            
     signs                                                                                                                      
     *Familiarity with the offender's schedule and whereabouts                                                                  
     *The  ability  to  enhance and  encourage  application  of  the                                                            
     offender's treatment tools outside of the therapy setting.                                                                 
     *A  working  relationship   with  the  treatment  provider  and                                                            
     criminal justice supervisor.                                                                                               
     *The ability  to acknowledge  the seriousness of the  offending                                                            
     behavior                                                                                                                   
     *The   ability,  skills   and  tools   to  hold  the   offender                                                            
     accountable early in the onset of risky behaviors.                                                                         
     *Willingness to report  non-compliance to the containment team.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil stated  that those offenders who had positive  support upon                                                            
their release had the fewest re-offenses.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked for  further information  as to how the  Shared                                                            
Housing scenario provided a more positive outcome.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil responded that  those living in a shared living arrangement                                                            
benefited  because others  in the  house who were  in treatment  and                                                            
were subject  to Polygraph  testing would  report something  another                                                            
offender  was  doing  in  order  to  avoid  having  themselves  held                                                            
accountable  and  jeopardizing  their  own supervision.   Therefore,                                                            
they, in  a sense, became  a positive support  group, as they  would                                                            
report when another was "engaged in high risk behavior".                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The Containment Approach: Quality Control                                                                                  
     *Training training training                                                                                                
     *Written protocols                                                                                                         
     *Adequate supervision                                                                                                      
     *Standards for practice                                                                                                    
     *Regular team meetings                                                                                                     
     *Individual treatment plans                                                                                                
     *Measures of progress/program evaluation                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Or how will you know if you are getting anywhere?                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English stressed  that  "the Containment  Approach  would  save                                                            
money in  the long  run". A lot  of training  would be required  for                                                            
everyone  involved.   Therapists,   Polygraph  examiners,   and  law                                                            
enforcement personnel  must work together and understand  everyone's                                                            
role in the process. Individualized  management plans are crucial to                                                            
an offender's  success and would assist in deterring  the committing                                                            
of a new sex crime.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Cost Benefit                                                                                                               
     Considering benefits  to crime victims in addition to taxpayer,                                                            
     each taxpayer  dollar spent on  a cognitive-behavioral  program                                                            
     for  adult sex  offenders returns  between $1.19  and $5.27  in                                                            
     victim and taxpayer benefits                                                                                               
                     Washington State Institute for Public Policy                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  stated that the Washington  State Institute  for Public                                                            
Policy routinely  conducts benefit analysis on a variety  of issues.                                                            
Recent  estimates  indicate   that  for  every  dollar  invested  in                                                            
treatment would result  in a minimum $1.19 return. Were the "mammoth                                                            
victimization  cost"  of $86,000  per  victim included,  the  return                                                            
would exceed five dollars.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked for  further clarification regarding the $86,500                                                            
victim expense.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English replied that $86,500 is the estimated lifetime cost.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked whether  this amount excludes State and taxpayer                                                            
expenditures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English replied  that the majority of the costs  "would be borne                                                            
by [the] public  eventually". It would  include such things  as lost                                                            
work time, hospitalization  and medical costs, and  criminal justice                                                            
response expenses.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  suggested that the  manner in which this information                                                             
is presented should be  reexamined as it implies that $86,500 is the                                                            
cost to the victim.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  appreciated the input  and stated that the information                                                             
would be revisited.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson understood  therefore  that  the cost  to the  victim                                                            
includes  such things  as  mental health  issues,  missed work,  and                                                            
failed relationships. He  inquired to the direct costs to the public                                                            
for such  things as the  perpetrator's  incarceration, Court  System                                                            
services,  treatment,  and other  services.  He assumed  that  those                                                            
expenses would exceed $86,500.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  could not  recall the  specific items  included  in the                                                            
cost study.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson clarified  that the question is whether the total cost                                                            
of the crime would significantly exceed $86,500.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  affirmed  that the  total cost  would be significantly                                                             
more. Incarceration  expenses typically exceed $25,000  per year per                                                            
person.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  pointed out that  the victim expense  figure is dated.  No                                                            
more recent  study is available.  It is likely  that the costs  have                                                            
increased.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked the percent of sex offenders who are female.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English  commented that  the number of  female sex offenders  is                                                            
less than ten  percent. However, "the  reporting rate for  those who                                                            
have been  victimized  by women is  even lower  than the"  reporting                                                            
rate of those victimized by men.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  voiced being surprised  that approximately  one-third                                                            
of the victims  in Alaska are male  child victims. He asked  whether                                                            
this percentage was similar to that experienced in Colorado.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English affirmed that it was.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  noted that Alaska has  "a disproportionate  number of                                                            
Alaska Natives"  incarcerated.  Therefore,  he inquired whether  the                                                            
study could provide a breakdown in this regard.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English asked  for clarification  whether  the  question is  in                                                            
regard to cultural differences.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson affirmed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  English  replied that  the  Containment  Approach  "is  culture                                                            
neutral". There  is no reason to think it would not  work uniformly.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Dyson   remarked   that   alcohol   is   involved   in   a                                                            
disproportionate  number of violent and sexual crimes  in Alaska. He                                                            
asked whether this is reflected in the research.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English replied that,  "lots of times there is alcohol and drugs                                                            
involvement". Offenders  often attempt "to get victims intoxicated".                                                            
Even were alcohol  or drug use to be a concern of  a sex crime, "the                                                            
substance  abuse would be  secondary" to the  "sex crime".  It would                                                            
get treated, but it is not "an excuse".                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Jinks interjected that  from a Polygraph standpoint, alcohol and                                                            
drugs are not  a common factor in child molestation  cases; however,                                                            
they are often a component in rape cases.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Heil  added  that many  offenders intended  to  commit a  sexual                                                            
assault.  "They took drugs  to boost their  courage to go ahead  and                                                            
act  out". Alcohol  and drugs  could  make victim  more vulnerable.                                                             
Therefore,  alcohol  gets involved  in many  ways. "It  is a  unique                                                            
issue in and of itself".  The sex offending issue must be addressed,                                                            
and  if substance  abuse  "is  a risk  factor  in their  pattern  of                                                            
behavior", it must also be addressed.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  stated that, according  to the information  regarding                                                            
recidivism rates, it appears  that child molesters with male victims                                                            
have more victims.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English replied that research "suggests that".                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson noted  that this population  also  appears to  have a                                                            
higher recidivism rate.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. English stated that,  "they seem to get caught more". "It's hard                                                            
to  know;   but  child  molesters   with  male  victims   often  are                                                            
perpetrating  outside  the  family". She  referenced  the  statement                                                            
distributed  earlier  by Ms.  Heil  that was  written  by the  child                                                            
molester, which specified  how a child was "set up". In her opinion,                                                            
"the  recidivism   rates  make  more  sense"  when  the   crossover"                                                            
information is considered, as it clarifies "how busy they are".                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  inquired regarding the purpose of this  presentation.                                                            
He assumed  that the purpose  was to develop  a similar approach  in                                                            
this State.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Antrim affirmed. He  stated that the Department  would                                                            
be implementing a pilot  program in Anchorage in the summer of 2005.                                                            
The sex offender assessment  portion of the program has already been                                                            
conducted. This would be  tied in with the treatment, polygraph, and                                                            
supervision  components. A  $500,000 increment  is included  in this                                                            
year's budget to support the program.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked whether  the three consultants services would be                                                            
utilized.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Antrim affirmed  that  they would serve  in a  "guide"                                                            
capacity  in getting  the  State's program  established.  The  State                                                            
would have its own in-State personnel.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  understood therefore  that an associated  increment                                                            
would be forthcoming in the FY 06 budget.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Antrim  affirmed. He thanked Committee  Members for the                                                            
opportunity  to   present  the  information  to  them.  "Protecting                                                             
children is  one of this Administration's  biggest efforts…".  It is                                                            
the  Department's  "single most  important  thing  we can  do to  do                                                            
that".  The Containment  Approach  would prevent  more victims.  The                                                            
approach  has wide-ranging  implications at  the Department  and the                                                            
community level.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  thanked the Department  and the presenters  for the                                                            
information.                                                                                                                    
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken adjourned the meeting at 10:34 AM.                                                                              

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